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What is the best submarine ever built?

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MasonK

I’ve been down a naval history rabbit hole lately and realized everyone throws out a different answer when you ask “what’s the best submarine ever built.” Some people mean most lethal in war, others mean best engineering, others mean quietest/most survivable in a modern fight.

If you had to pick ONE sub as the “best ever,” what are you choosing and why? I’m especially curious how people weigh real combat record (like WWII) versus Cold War deterrence (where the point was to never shoot). If it helps: I’m not looking for classified performance claims—just informed opinions, historical context, and what the platform actually changed in naval warfare.

CalebR

“Best” depends on criteria, but if we’re talking historical impact + demonstrated wartime effect, the German Type VII U-boat deserves serious consideration. It wasn’t the most advanced at the end of WWII, but it was the workhorse of the Battle of the Atlantic and embodied the doctrine of commerce raiding—mass-produced, reliable enough, and used in a coherent operational concept.

If you mean best as in “changed strategic history,” I’d argue USS Nautilus (SSN-571). It made sustained high-speed submerged operations real, which rewrote anti-submarine warfare assumptions and pushed navies into a new era.

For pure deterrence and grand strategy, the first credible SSBN force—think early Polaris boats—deserves mention: it created a survivable second-strike capability that shaped Cold War decision-making. A good general reference is Clay Blair’s U-boat histories for WWII context and standard Cold War naval strategy works like John Lewis Gaddis for the strategic framing.

Brody

I look at “best” the way I look at kit: what does it do consistently under stress, and how well is it supported. Modern nuclear boats win on endurance, speed, sensors, and payload flexibility. If we’re talking a single platform that feels like the “top-tier loadout,” I’d put the Virginia-class (especially later blocks) high on the list because it’s modular and upgrade-friendly—better like a modern system than a one-off.

That said, if we’re judging by doing one job better than anything else, Ohio-class SSBNs were basically the ultimate “mission-specific” platform: survivable, long-legged, and built around the deterrence role.

The WWII-era subs were brutal in terms of impact, but as platforms they were often cramped, short-ranged, and dependent on surface running—kind of like great boots from the 40s: iconic, but you wouldn’t pick them for today’s environment.

JaredM

Not a submariner, but I worked around enough Navy folks to know the “best” argument gets weird fast because the best sub is the one that does its mission without anyone noticing.

From an operator’s point of view, I’d judge it by: reliability, maintainability, crew workload, and how forgiving it is when something goes sideways. A boat can be “amazing on paper” and still be a nightmare if it’s constantly in maintenance or the systems are finicky.

So I usually land on the classes that quietly did years of deployments with high readiness. That points me toward U.S. SSBNs for strategic success (they just keep going) and toward mature SSNs with lots of incremental upgrades rather than brand-new “revolutionary” designs.

VinceD

People love romantic answers like “Type VII” or “Nautilus,” but if you ask “best submarine ever built” and you ignore survivability + lethality in the era it was meant to fight, you’re dodging the question.

Best overall? A modern nuclear attack sub from the top-tier builders. Period. Quieting, sensors, weapons, endurance—everything that matters in an actual peer fight. WWII boats were basically surface ships that could submerge for a while. Cold War “firsts” were important, sure, but being first doesn’t mean being best.

Pick your favorite among Seawolf / Virginia / Astute-type equivalents, but don’t pretend a museum-era platform is “best” because it has a dramatic story.

NolanX

My vote is less about a specific hull and more about which submarine best adapted to the “networked, unmanned” direction warfare is going. The “best ever” might end up being the first class that routinely deploys and controls UUVs (unmanned underwater vehicles) as an extension of its sensors and weapons.

Today’s top SSNs are already moving that way: off-board sensing, underwater comms, and using autonomous systems for reconnaissance, mine countermeasures, or decoys. In that framing, a late-model Virginia with the payload module and room for evolving unmanned systems feels like the most future-proof.

If in 10–20 years a sub is effectively a mothership for underwater drones plus long-range strike, we’ll probably look back and say that transition point was the real “best built” moment.

TrentF

I’m out of my lane, but I’ll translate it into an armor analogy. “Best tank ever” debates usually split into: best in its war, best design for upgrades, or best at the main mission. Submarines are the same.

If you value a platform that stays relevant through modernization, you want the design with margin: power, cooling, space, and modular payloads—like a chassis that can take new sights, armor packages, and ammo types without becoming obsolete.

So I’m skeptical of picking a single historical one-off. The “best” tends to be a mature class with a long upgrade path and high readiness rates, not the flashy prototype. On that logic, top-tier modern SSNs or the long-serving SSBN workhorses make more sense than any WWII boat.

EvanP

If you force me to choose one and define “best” as overall combat capability in its intended mission set (sea denial, ISR, strike, survivability), I’d point to the U.S. Seawolf class as a strong candidate: designed at the high end of Cold War performance demands with extreme quieting, speed, deep-diving capability (publicly discussed in general terms), and heavy weapon load.

If you define “best” as strategic effect and value delivered over decades, the Ohio-class SSBNs are hard to beat. They were the backbone of a survivable deterrent for a long time—arguably one of the most consequential military systems built.

If you define “best” as historical turning point, Nautilus is the clean answer. It changed the medium from “submarine as ambush raider” to “submarine as sustained undersea warship.” Different “bests,” different winners.

KaiS

From the air side, the “best sub” is the one that makes ASW hardest. That usually means quiet, good passive sensors, and smart tactics.

Historically, the biggest shifts for aviation were: nuclear propulsion (sustained submerged speed changes the search problem), better acoustic stealth (reduces the detection range), and better integration with long-range missiles (changes what the sub can threaten without getting close).

So if you’re asking me as an aviation nerd, I’d pick a modern SSN from a top navy because it forces the air ASW community to do everything right for a long time. WWII subs were dangerous, but the search/track problem is fundamentally different now.

DylanH

If this question came up because you’re thinking about a submarine-related career: “best” is also about training pipeline, crew culture, and maintenance ecosystem. A great platform with weak sustainment isn’t great for the people operating it.

Also worth noting that public comparisons are always incomplete—real performance data is mostly not public—so you’ll see a lot of opinions based on reputation.

If you’re curious about the community itself (not just the hardware), say what country/service you’re looking at and whether you mean officer/enlisted. I can point you toward the general requirements and what the day-to-day tends to look like, without getting into anything sensitive.

RileyV

For “best ever” I’ll throw a curveball: the best sub is the one that enables mission sets beyond torpedoes—special operations insertion, ISR, and covert strike. That’s where modern SSNs shine.

A boat that can quietly loiter, put a team in the water, recover them, and still have serious combat power onboard is the most “elite” capability in naval terms.

So I’d lean modern SSNs with strong lockout/SEAL delivery options or equivalents. Not because it’s flashy, but because it expands what a navy can do without escalating publicly.

GrantK

I’m going to answer from the human factors angle: the “best sub ever built” is the one that keeps its crew functional on long deployments. Habitability, air/water systems, noise management inside the boat, and routine reliability matter more than people admit.

Older boats are legendary, but a lot of that era was hardship by default. Modern boats have better life-support and are designed around sustained operations.

So if “best” includes the ability to keep humans effective for months underwater, I’m voting modern nuclear submarines broadly rather than any romantic historical pick.

OwenG

“Best” can also mean “most strategically valuable per dollar over time.” Submarines are political tools as much as weapons: they signal capability while staying invisible, and they complicate an adversary’s planning.

On strategic value, SSBNs are the big one. A credible sea-based deterrent shapes national security policy, alliance confidence, and crisis stability. That’s why countries invest in them despite the cost.

If you want a geopolitical metric, the “best” is the sub class that most changed the balance of deterrence and forced others to spend heavily on ASW and counter-capabilities. In that sense, the mature SSBN fleets were among the most influential military systems of the last 70 years.

ScottW

From an engineering and sustainment perspective, I’m wary of crowning a single “best” without looking at lifecycle: how often it’s available for tasking, how complicated overhauls are, and how resilient the supply chain is.

A platform can have excellent performance but be so maintenance-intensive that the force struggles to keep enough hulls operational. The truly great designs balance performance with maintainability and upgrade paths.

So my “best” shortlist would favor classes with long service life, predictable refit cycles, and strong industrial support—because in real military planning, availability is a capability.

LoganB

I’m still learning, so can someone clarify what people mean by “quiet”? Like is it mostly engine noise, or the propeller, or just how the whole hull moves through water?

Also, are diesel-electric subs ever considered “best,” or do nuclear ones automatically win because they can stay underwater longer?

I’ve seen people mention Seawolf, Virginia, and also WWII U-boats, and I’m confused how you compare across eras.

HarperQ

In wargaming terms, “best submarine ever built” depends on scenario and victory conditions. If the objective is deterrence stability, SSBNs are the “best” because their contribution is measured in crisis outcomes, not kills.

If the objective is sea denial in a contested theater, you want the SSN with the best combination of stealth, endurance, weapons load, and sensor processing—plus the ability to operate with incomplete information.

Across eras, I’d separate categories: best wartime commerce raider (WWII), best strategic deterrent platform (SSBN era), best multi-mission hunter-killer (modern SSN). Picking one overall is fun, but it’s basically mixing different game modes.

ZaneJ

I think the “best ever built” title will eventually go to the first submarine designed from the keel up to team with unmanned systems: UUV swarms for scouting, autonomous decoys, maybe even robotic maintenance inside the hull to reduce crew workload.

Right now, the best candidates are modern platforms with spare payload volume and open-architecture combat systems, because you can integrate new autonomous tools without redesigning the whole boat.

So if we’re judging by how well a sub can evolve into a manned-unmanned undersea combat system, the “best” is probably a modern class that was built with modularity in mind rather than a single iconic historical submarine.