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Can unmanned vehicles replace armored formations?

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DylanK

I keep seeing clips of drones dropping grenades, loitering munitions hitting armor, and UGV prototypes carrying supplies or mounting a weapon station. It’s got me wondering where this is heading in real terms: can unmanned vehicles actually replace armored formations (tanks/IFVs with crews), or will they just become another layer in combined arms?

Context: I’m not in the military, but I follow modern conflicts pretty closely and I’m trying to make sense of what “replacement” really means. Like, is the idea that robots will do the breach, hold ground, and take towns? Or is it more that they’ll reduce crew risk while traditional armor still does the heavy lifting? I’m especially curious about EW/jamming, reliability, and whether unmanned systems can survive and operate when comms are contested.

Interested in grounded answers: doctrine, history parallels, current tech limits, and what an armored battalion might look like in 10–20 years.

Grant77

“Replace” is the key word. Historically, new systems rarely replace a formation’s core function overnight; they reshape doctrine around that function. Cavalry didn’t vanish instantly when machine guns appeared—it morphed (mounted infantry, then armor, then air mobile). Battleships weren’t “replaced by a single weapon” but made less central as airpower + submarines changed the problem.

Armor’s purpose in modern doctrine is protected mobility plus shock effect: forcing decisions by moving under fire and combining firepower with presence. Unmanned vehicles can contribute to firepower and reconnaissance, but “presence” (clearing, holding, controlling) still depends on infantry, and protected mobility still matters when the enemy has artillery, mines, and small arms.

Cold War sources like Soviet/Russian Deep Battle and NATO AirLand Battle both assumed massed fires, EW, and contested comms—yet still centered mechanized formations because ground must be taken. Unmanned systems will likely become the new “recon and security screen” (and perhaps attritable assault echelons), but as long as wars are decided by control of terrain and populations, armor (crewed or at least heavily protected) remains hard to replace.

MasonGear

From a gear mindset: replacing armored formations isn’t just a vehicle question, it’s an ecosystem question. Crewed armor brings built-in sustainment—crew can do basic troubleshooting, clear debris, recover tracks, refuel, re-arm, and keep rolling under awful conditions.

UGVs shift the burden onto support: more batteries/generators, more spares, more data links, more specialized tools. In the field that means heavier logistics packs and more single points of failure. Also, the “operator kit” matters: ruggedized controllers, spare antennas, encrypted radios, anti-jam navigation aids—none of that is weightless.

My take: unmanned vehicles will replace some tasks (route recon, casualty drag, resupply runs, carrying extra ammo, remote weapon overwatch). But a formation that’s meant to fight for days needs reliability and easy field maintenance. Right now humans with wrenches still win that contest.

TroyR

I’ll answer from the “mud and friction” angle. In training and deployments, the stuff that breaks plans is usually not enemy fire—it’s comms, maintenance, weather, and people being tired and making mistakes.

Unmanned vehicles help with risk, no question. But if your link drops, your robot is either dead weight or it becomes a hazard. And if it’s fully autonomous, you still need rules and confidence that it won’t do something stupid when civilians, friendlies, and bad intel are in the mix.

Armor formations also do a lot of non-glamorous work: show up, block a road, escort, provide a “don’t mess with us” presence, and move infantry safely. I can see more remote turrets, more assisted driving, maybe optionally manned vehicles. Fully replacing crews across the board? Not soon, because war is chaos and crews solve chaos in real time.

JaxV

People keep asking this like there’s a magical “tank replacement” switch. No. Unmanned vehicles don’t “replace” armored formations any more than night vision replaced infantry.

If you think a swarm of cheap robots is going to roll into a city, survive mines, survive artillery, survive EW, identify targets correctly, and then HOLD the ground—explain how. Who clears basements? Who searches detainees? Who distinguishes a decoy from a real AT team when the feed is degraded?

What’s actually happening is the opposite: armor needs MORE support now—drones, counter-drone, EW, APS, engineers—because threats got cheaper. That doesn’t mean armor is obsolete; it means anyone still pretending 1991-style armored maneuver is plug-and-play is behind the curve.

AidenUAV

Unmanned vehicles can replace *parts* of armored formations earlier than people think, but “replace” depends on mission set.

Where they shine: ISR, target acquisition, decoys, mine/IED scouting, and attritable direct-fire platforms that you’re willing to lose to reveal enemy positions. A UGV with a remote weapon station can hold a lane, provide overwatch, or push into a kill zone to trigger fires—things you’d rather not put crews into.

The big constraint is the control stack: contested EM spectrum, GNSS denial, and cyber. That drives you toward: (1) higher onboard autonomy, (2) short-range local control with line-of-sight relays, (3) mission command style tasking (“go to point, observe, return”) rather than joystick driving.

My bet: 10–20 years is hybrid formations—crewed tanks/IFVs with a cloud of unmanned scouts, loitering munitions, and a few optionally manned “gun mules.” Replacement of the *formation* is unlikely; replacement of many *roles* inside it is very likely.

CalArmor

If we define “armored formation” as the ability to penetrate, exploit, and survive combined arms fire, unmanned alone isn’t there yet.

A tank isn’t just a gun on tracks. It’s stabilized fire on the move, heavy protection, cross-country mobility, shock effect, and the ability to take hits while staying mission-capable. To match that with an unmanned platform you still need: thick armor (weight), power (fuel), recovery (heavy logistics), and situational awareness (sensors + processing) comparable to a trained crew.

What I do see near-term: optionally manned vehicles where the same chassis can be crewed for complex fights and unmanned for high-risk tasks (route proofing, breach support, decoy pushes). Also more unmanned turrets, autoloaders, driver-assist, and sensor fusion to reduce crew workload.

UGVs as “tank replacements” are usually either too light (die to everything) or too heavy (become tanks… just without a crew, and with new failure modes).

NateBluewater

From the maritime world, the analogy is unmanned surface/undersea vehicles. They didn’t replace destroyers or submarines; they changed scouting, mine countermeasures, and risk distribution.

Navies still need crewed platforms for sustained presence, command and control, complex rules-of-engagement decisions, and damage control. Unmanned systems extend reach and reduce risk in the most dangerous slices of the mission.

On land, armored formations are the “capital ships” of ground maneuver in the sense of protected presence and concentrated power. Expect unmanned ground systems to become the scouts, the decoys, the mine-clearance helpers, and the expendable pickets—but the force that holds terrain and manages escalation will still likely be crewed and heavily supported.

RicoJet

Airpower lesson: drones didn’t replace fighters or attack aircraft; they created a new layer (persistent ISR + precision strike) and forced everyone to adapt with EW, air defense, and tactics.

The air domain shows how countermeasures evolve fast. As soon as drones matter, jamming and layered defenses matter. That pushes unmanned toward stealthier links, autonomy, and mass/attrition concepts.

For armored formations, drones are already reshaping the “find-fix-finish” cycle. A tank that’s visible is a tank that’s targetable. So the likely future is armor with integral counter-UAS, better signature management, and tighter integration with friendly drones. Not “unmanned replaces tanks,” but “tanks that don’t integrate unmanned support get punished.”

KyliePrep

If you’re thinking from a career angle, this debate is already changing what militaries recruit and train for. Even if unmanned vehicles don’t replace armored formations, units need operators, maintainers, EW specialists, and people who can plan around drones and counter-drones.

So for anyone reading and considering joining: armored and mechanized jobs aren’t “going away,” but they’re getting more technical. Skills that transfer: basic networking/radios, troubleshooting electronics, and disciplined procedures under stress.

Also worth noting: many countries are cautious about autonomy in lethal force for policy and accountability reasons, which tends to keep humans in or near the loop—meaning humans remain central even as platforms change.

OwenSF

SF perspective: unmanned systems are already huge for reconnaissance and shaping, but they don’t replace the part where humans go confirm, talk to locals, interpret intent, and make judgement calls.

On the battlefield, replacing armored formations is even harder because armor is often used to enable infantry—breach, overwatch, intimidation, and survivability in contact. Unmanned can lead the stack in a limited way (peek around corners, scout streets, drop sensors), but it can’t do the human tasks tied to control.

I can imagine “robot assault detachments” supporting mechanized forces: UGVs to draw fire, lay smoke, carry extra AT, or run a remote gun down a dangerous alley. But when it’s time to seize and hold, you still need trained people.

HankField

Fieldcraft angle: the environment is a weapon. Mud, dust, water crossings, dense vegetation, urban rubble—these destroy sensors, clog intakes, and break mobility.

A human crew can improvise: read ground, feel traction changes, adjust tactics when visibility is trash, and do quick fixes. Unmanned vehicles can be built rugged, but the more complex the sensor suite, the more you’re trusting it to interpret a world that’s actively trying to confuse it (camouflage, decoys, smoke, obscurants).

I’m bullish on unmanned for resupply and casualty evacuation in dangerous areas—because even a partial success reduces exposure. But as a full replacement for armored formations operating in harsh terrain? That’s a reliability and recovery problem as much as a firepower problem.

SerenaIntel

“Replace armor” is also about budgets, industry capacity, and political tolerance for casualties. Unmanned systems are attractive because they can be cheaper per unit and reduce personnel risk, but high-end unmanned that can survive contested environments can become expensive quickly.

There’s also the intelligence/counterintelligence dimension: data links, supply chains, software updates, and sensor telemetry create attack surfaces. A force that bets everything on unmanned without robust EW and cyber discipline could lose capability fast.

Strategically, I expect a mixed approach: some states will field large numbers of attritable unmanned systems to compensate for manpower constraints, while others retain heavy crewed armor for deterrence and escalation control. The “replacement” narrative often oversimplifies what is really a force-structure and risk-management decision.

DevonEng

Armor formations live and die by engineers and sustainment. If unmanned vehicles are to replace them, they must plug into the same hard realities: bridging classifications, route clearance, recovery, refuel/rearm, and maintenance under fire.

UGVs could help engineers a lot: pushing line charges, carrying fascines or demolition stores, remote inspection of culverts, and proofing lanes through minefields. That’s meaningful because breach tasks are high-casualty.

But replacement of armored formations means the unmanned force must also handle mobility support (getting across gaps, through obstacles, and out of craters) and be recoverable when disabled. A dead robot in a narrow breach lane can block the whole attack just as effectively as a knocked-out tank. The engineering answer is: unmanned will add capability, but it doesn’t remove the need for heavy, robust, recoverable platforms and disciplined logistics.

EliNewbie

I’m still learning, but I’m confused about one thing: when people say “unmanned vehicles,” do they mean like small tracked robots, or full-size tank-like vehicles with no crew?

Because it seems like small UGVs would get destroyed fast by artillery or even small arms, but full-size ones would cost almost as much as a tank anyway. Is the main advantage just saving the crew? And if so, wouldn’t jamming make it too risky?

Curious what you all think is the most realistic first step: unmanned supply, unmanned scouting, or unmanned direct fire?

ParkerSim

In most wargames/simulations, “replacement” fails because of three interacting variables: (1) sensing in cluttered environments, (2) communications in contested spectrum, (3) logistics attrition.

A useful way to frame it is force structure: keep a smaller number of high-end crewed armored platforms as the decisive nodes (protected command, breach leaders, heavy direct fire), then surround them with a larger number of cheap unmanned assets to extend sensor range and create dilemmas.

If you run the scenario where unmanned fully replaces armor, you either assume near-perfect autonomy (which is a huge assumption) or you assume robust comms (also a huge assumption). Under realistic EW, unmanned becomes less “replacement” and more “attritable screen.” The big payoff is tempo: faster target identification and faster engagement cycles for the combined force.

ZaneRobotics

Full replacement is a long game, but the pathway is clear: autonomy first for driving/navigation, then for tactical behaviors, and only later for complex lethal decision-making (if policy allows).

Near-term (now–10 years): optionally manned ground combat vehicles, autonomous convoying, robotic mules, remote turrets, and “wingman” UGVs that follow a crewed IFV/tank and extend sensors or carry extra ammo.

Mid-term (10–20 years): more cooperative behavior—UGVs that can bound, hold sectors, relay comms, and conduct limited assaults with human-on-the-loop supervision. Expect heavy investment in anti-jam navigation (multi-sensor fusion: inertial, vision-based, terrain matching) and resilient mesh networking.

Even then, the “armored formation” probably persists, but it looks different: fewer humans exposed forward, more distributed firepower, and a lot more electronic warfare and counter-drone baked into every maneuver element.